No.338
It's been a rough week to be a Vocaloid fan online. Literally every Voca community on the internet (except Vocaverse) is talking about the Zako shit. I can't escape it.
No.339
>>338I do wonder what things in the community will be like after this incident. Something tells me the JP side will either succumb or distance itself from the western side, while the western vocaloid producers will just virtue signal over dumb shit like Sawtowne. and TONE did recently.
No.342
I've said it before but i think it's genuinely insane that people reacted to such a cute innocent love song like Zako as if they were witnessing 9/11 over puns in a language they don't understand. And not just that but they made songs which DO ACTUALLY BREAK YUKI'S TOS and celebrated it.
No.351
>>342out of curiosity, which songs? i've only seen cute cat ones spring from the controversy which surely can't break TOS
No.352
>>351"caat" is about Yuki getting raped and people were like "Yes, this is exactly what you should do with her voicebank!!!"
No.353
I hope the remake never actually comes out. The people who hated the song already will continue to hate it, the people who liked the song will hate it for being a censored version. In the end, no one wins.
No.359
i'm sick of drama every week because of zoomer/alpha youngsters and low IQ adults. there can't be a single song existing because they're looking for hidden motivations. i miss when the least of our problems were "this VB sounds like gumi and i don't like it".
No.360
>>359Project sekai and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race
No.361
>>359Not defending them. Not in the slightest. But honestly it's easy to mistake Zako for a sexual song if you're not Japanese. A poor understanding of mesugaki, coupled with a bad translation, animation by an artist who drew a sexual mv before and a child voicebank and you'll have the entirety of the United States throwing rocks at you.
No.362
>>361Channel confirmed it was sexual, I'm pretty sure
No.366
>>361 it's understandable, but still people really went overboard with it
No.368
>>339Yeah, I saw a bunch of Japanese people (rightfully) concerned about the future of Vocaloid culture after this incident, and this isn’t even the first time, there were tons of minitature little controversies I witnessed as well prior.
Makes me really sad because unlike most fandoms, Japanese and foreign fans/companies were actually really excited to work with us (even my own mutual says they have a Japanese mutual really enthusiastic to work w/ them), tons of companies like Zan-Shin (people behind the CUL sisters) and Shirayuki (ROSA’s VP) went out of their way to cater to our side of the fandom just to get shit on or ignored. Even Zundamon English is becoming a thing, I hope they don’t ruin the TTS fandom once she releases.
I was really excited about this new crop of talented Western producers cropping up (Suzie, Lappy, Sawtowne etc.) even if they were all antis because they seemed to keep it to themselves at least, but I guess I celebrated too soon. They’re gonna send us back to the 2016 GHOST/Marz Mitzi clone era again via all this moral policing, I wouldn’t be suprised if they harass Sawtowne out the fandom entirely in the next years due to the fact the type of people he’s pandering to are never satisfied (and also already got mad at him for “fetishizing gay men.”)
The Japanese fandom knows they’re not missing out on anything by disassociating with us, only thing we contribute to Vocaloid culture is covers and drama.
No.369
>>368It makes me sad that the EN side of Vocaloid will probably never be taken seriously. With Butcher Vanity and Confessions being very popular in Japan it seemed like things were changing but the west just had to chimp out about lolicon and now the Japanese probably see our side of the community as a joke. The already don't want us translating their songs because of what happened with Zako, see
>>354 No.433
Less toxic/annoying version of r/Vocaloid was made:
https://www.reddit.com/r/VocaloidButGood/ No.434
>>433>RedditNo thanks
Good to know that trve vocaloid fans are making their own spaces instead of sticking to heavily censored ones though
No.448
>>447I'm not a fan but eh at least its back on Youtube
No.449
>>447Some positivity for once: I love it <3
No.450
>>448I take it back. After a few relistens i'm liking it more than the original, i like how Yuki's voice is still present in the background. I'm glad he used Neru and not the other two.
No.451
What happened to Teto why does she have so many bandages lmao
No.452
It seems Hioka Smith fully supports Hiiragi's song and is honored to have Neru sing it. I really hope this doesn't cause the WVF to cancel Hioka/Neru over it. It's officially over for the Vocaloid community if that happens?
>>451What are you on about anon
No.453
>>452I think she fell down a lot or something lol
Also I just noticed she has a lolipop too! I wonder what flavor
No.454
>>452>I really hope this doesn't cause the WVF to cancel Hioka/Neru over itYou'll be surprised
No.455
>>454There are few events in history worse than 9/11 in terms of repercussions. The release of Project Sekai being one of them.
No.458
>>457The disappearance of Akita Neru
No.462
>>461I'm fine with this. I've never really been a fan of songs with overt sexual themes, so PurePure, Zako and such weren't really up my alley. Unfortunate for those that enjoyed that type of stuff, but it will still continue to exist with other creators.
No.463
>>462I mean, if you cant understand the lyrics it shouldnt matter that much
No.465
>>463But I always do read a translation of the lyrics, so once I am aware it will negatively impact my views of the song. But even then without doing that some are obvious based on just the title or the music video. You are right that it shouldn't matter, but it does to me for whatever reason. Brain is just a little silly I suppose.
No.483
I know lots will probably disagree with me (especially considering there's even an official Twitter account for this site) but honestly I feel discussing anything 39chan-related on Twitter or social media in general is a terrible idea. This place was made as an escape from vocatwt, vocatiktok, pjsk kid and vocazoomer lunacy right? So why possibly get this place in the eyes of them.
Kind of feel similar to /jp/ or 4chan refugees but it'd be less bad since they tend to be older and their only problem is racism/political shit (which is horrible, but still) and unfunny spamming, we don't have to worry about 4chan refugees trying to doxx people over Kagamine sex.
"We can just ban them" true if it's only a few, but what if some huge drama happens and 100+ of them infest this place and turn it into a shithole like almost every other English-language Vocaloid site has been made?
No.484
>>483I only agree but when it comes to 39ch projects like Sena (not anymore since she's finished) and Toriko. Those should be gatekept to prevent dumb people from intervening and fucking everything up. Fortunately it hasn't happened and Toriko is mostly beind handled by teams.
And it's not like 39chan is this super sekrit klub that only 3 people know about. One of the biggest MMD animators knows about its existence and posts on it (once in a blue moon though) and it's been brought up on other imageboards like Kissu, Wapchan, and even 4chan itself. Global rules 14, 12 and 7 already take care of the people you're talking about.
I agree that 39ch shouldn't be as huge as 4chan but even if it grows it most likely will stay an underground community (at least in the imageboard space) due to it being focused entirely on Vocaloid. Keep in mind the THP boards (
https://www.touhou-project.com/) have never had this issue.
No.485
>>483I’d also like to note as someone who moderates a discord about a fictional incest series we only ever had, at most, around 10-12 people try to raid at once. 39chan is moderated extremely well from what I can tell, so it should be fine imo.
No.486
>>485I mean we're an imageboard, so it's invitable that at some point we'll have a raid (and when we do i highly doubt it's gonna come from Twitter of all places). But not only are we prepared for it, we are also a Vocaloid site of all things. I doubt anyone is mentally challenged enough to consistently attack a forum about singing robots when there are better things you can do with your life, but this world is filled with dumb and unpredictable people, i can always be proven wrong.
We have had CSEM bots post their filthy illegal shit here before, but again, those are automated requests coming from some bot farm in bumfuck Russia/Ukraine. It's not being posted by any user of this site or people trying to shut us down. And even then me and a couple other imageboard owners are working together to make this essentially impossible on not just 39chan but also their sites.
No.487
>>484>>485>>486I see. I'm not as familiar with imageboard culture and tend to avoid IBs outside of this site so I may be a bit too paranoid due to unfamiliarity. Other IB users coming here also isn't really a *huge* concern of mine (especially smaller ones, part of 4chan's toxicity is probably due to it's size) as the userbases of those tend to be a bit older and more mature than social media. Although I still feel a single animator knowing about this place isn't a lot, even that person being as huge as they are.
No.498
PositiveVSynth appears to have deleted their Twitter. What are some other vsynth news accounts to follow now that they're gone?.
No.501
>>49839chan's /news/ thread lmao
No.511
>>498@SpeechSynthNews, although they tweet in Japanese. (I just use the “Translate tweet” button), they also cover more synths than PositiveVSynth!
There’s also a Vocaloid forum, Vocaverse.network
No.542
Funny how /jp/ went from loving Teto when she released to absolutely hating her and saying her fans annoying (they're kinda right though) now that she's popular
No.546
>>545Don't let
them ruin our girl
Always love Teto
No.548
What's up with the bots on Twitter posing as VocaP's and other people who are popular in the vocaloid community?
No.553
>>545If there's anything i've learned from /jp/ it's that Teto haters are as annoying as the Tetofags.
But it's better to just ignore them honestly. Take a break from twitter and other toxic SNS if possible and surround yourself with people that aren't dumb.
No.559
>>558they hit the second tower
No.563
>>562didn't this guy try and like, kill his girlfriend a while back? I have so many questions like
1. did she ever press charges
2. is this the same gf he tried to kill, or a different one
3. if it is a different one, how did he get a new one after he was in the news for trying to kill his last one
4. if it's the same, why did she return to someone who tried to kill her
what the fuck is happening
No.635
>>634It's been an interesting day huh?
No.712
>>711Chicken jockey and its consequences
No.713
>>711i was going to go see it but now i think i might wait until it's on streaming
No.714
many young vocaloid fans are very overly sensitive i think this applies to a lot of young people online in general
they see anything even somewhat sexual and start freaking out
No.715
>>714no one's freaking out over the movie being sexual though
No.716
>>715sorry, i'm referring to earlier in the thread where people were talking about zako and purepure
No.717
>>711Being put in a room with more than 10 project sekai fans. A fate worse than death.
No.718
>>711reminder that project diva died for this
No.719
>>711why are they screaming so loud
nothing is even happening
No.720
>>719It's the pjsk-fan mating call
No.721
>>711I've seen some people say 'lol you wouldn't survive Miku Expo' after people were annoyed about this. Aside from the fact that it's a fucking movie, whenever I've gone people only screamed when the music stopped… aka when you're meant to scream
No.722
kek people weren't joking about this place having a hateboner for project sekai
i get it though, i'll be going to see the miku movie in a few days and shit like
>>711 would make me just want to pirate it instead
No.723
>>722i like project sekai but the fans are definitely the worst
No.724
>>721I'm not saying you're wrong but i wouldn't have survived Miku Expo 2024 either if the pee incident, vandalism and fights were real. The way people described it was like they were witnessing a Vocaloid version of Woodstock 99.
No.725
>>721Miku expo makes sense for people screaming tho, concerts aren't movie theaters lmao
>>722most of us are fine with the game (I play it myself) but the fans piss a lot of us off
No.727
>>725>concerts aren't movie theatersi have unmatched hatred for those who are disruptive in movie theatres
but being loud and having fun at a concert is partially the entire point
No.728
>>725>most of us are fine with the gameI'm not…
Never forgive, never forget
No.730
>>725No I know, I just mean it wouldn't make sense for people to just be screaming nonstop over nothing, usually it spikes up when something interesting happens
No.731
>>727I've been to a Miku concert once and it was life-changing. Nothing beats the experience of being there in a room full of sweaty mikufags and singing your heart out in broken Japanese. This on the other hand… this is different…
No.732
>>728Given how much money ProSeka makes I have no idea why the hell they can't also make Diva games alongside it
No.734
what pisses me off the most about them killing the DIVA series is that they did it now. if they had done it in 2018 when vocaloid was "dying" it would have made a bit more sense and while i would still be upset its understandable. but post-2020 is the most popular vocaloid has been in a whole decade and a lot of iconic songs have come out in this period. had DIVA not died you KNOW they would've put mesmerizer in there.
No.735
>>734i would love to see another diva game on the switch. i don't have a playstation so i play mega mix a lot
would be cool to get another higher quality diva game for switch 2 but that's just a pipe dream
i can't afford a playstation
No.736
>>735I think it's up to the modders now
>Switch 2God no
No.738
>>730Actually I just realized they were probably screaming over their favorite characters popping up and not absolutely nothing. Which sounds more concerty
But still lol
>>724>if the pee incident, vandalism and fights were realI'm curious, is there any proof of this stuff? I've heard the piss thing was fake but after the MC movie stuff I'd believe it
No.739
>>738The vandalism was real but the other stuff was never confirmed. Anyone who was there can correct me on that though.
No.742
>>711>no one screamed for lukalukabros………..
No.743
>>742The wholoidification of Luka
No.751
>>711We need to throw Project Sekai fans into a volcano
No.754
>>753The /jp/ general felt like a chatroom. You could technically make a thread like that on /leek/ but is it even worth it?
No.755
I've been seeing quite a few people call Kiritan "Neutrino" the way people call Link "Zelda". It's funny.
No.756
>>755You might as well. Every neutrino voicebank sounds like her
No.757
>>753To be fair i never expected this place to get the attention it's been getting recently or that 4chan would be taken down and people would move here. A lot of the daily 39chan users pre-hack were people who came from the old forum which predated 39chan (hence why a lot of the threads here feel like forumposts). So 39chan has always been this site that's just been there existing alongside the /jp/ general.
So yeah, i never took /jp/ refugees into account when working on this site. It's nice to have new people here, but yeah things are pretty disorganized in comparison. I'm not sure what to do about that. If you have any suggestions i'd be open to hearing them, I'll do what i can to improve this site.
No.758
>>754I’ve been browsing /all/ and it has that feeling to me. Recent stuff, project diva stuff, random bursts of hornyposting.
No.761
>>758>>759I understand. I'm just saying that this site wasn't created as a replacement of /jp/'s VOCALOID general but rather its own thing and it should be viewed as such. Since that's how a lot of the refugees seem to view it despite the fact that it predates the 4chan hack by
like 7 months. That's not to say they're not welcome, anyone who can respect/adapt to the site's culture is allowed here.
No.762
I don't mind generals on /leek/ but i do wonder how it will affect the other threads hm
No.765
>>758It's not a good thread without someone mentioning Len's ass
No.782
>>781Xitter is only good for getting the weekly vocalsynth news and cute art. I have half of vocatwt blocked.
No.783
>>781It’s the same with other normalfag media sites. Very few actually respect vocaloid or miku. They just want to ride hype/hate trains.
No.787
>>781I go out of my way to not use Vocatwt, I haven't had a Twitter in years and I find myself completely unaware of a lot of the smaller dramas as a result. I don't think I've seen small producer drama since 2022, outside of rare and isolated incidents. Anything that spreads to YouTube or imageboards I tend to see, though.
No.788
>>787I don’t know how you used it in the first place, it’s been awful as long as I can remember. Youtube comments were better which is pretty dire.
No.789
>>788Its alright for art and news
No.790
>>788before I deleted my Twitter, I mostly followed artists
then a bunch of them got kicked off with the change of management, so I left
No.791
>>788I don't either. To make matters worse, when I did use it, people really disliked me. I don't blame them, I was an asshole.
>>789That's why I joined it in the first place, but 3 years of silence has also been pretty awesome. It's always a trip when people mention something a producer did off platform, though.
No.792
>>791I don't care for most drama on the Western side of the fandom because it's always the same people trying to start a fire out of nothing. 90% of the times they're just virtue signaling over pixels and no one's really being hurt like when SatapanP got called out over a meme loli song he made when he himself was around 15. Korean/Japanese fandom drama on the other hand is pretty crazy though, especially when it involves direct contributors such as voice providers.
No.793
>>792For sure. I used to be somewhat fluent in Japanese and used to follow a lot of the VPs and producers and the Masa drama still pops up into my head sometimes. Yeah, the kid shouldn't have posted Masa's work to Spotify but having a meltdown and doxing a 15 year old is insane. I can name only a handful of Western incidents that were worse than this.
My fights in the Western fandom had nothing to do with the loli/shota shit, but a lot of it was moral grandstanding about other things. I was a teen when I got into Xitter fights, and now in my 20s it's so stupid I can't believe I thought half of it was a good idea. It's embarrassing.
No.798
>>796I see the cancer from the /jp/ threads has breached containment and found its way here huh?
People need to stop giving this mufeet dumbass attention, it's literally their lifeblood
No.799
>>798Oh I didn't know ppl on /jp/ post about it
I don't use many websites besides 39chan, I just hopped on twitter and saw it and got frustrated lol
No.801
>>799They're an infamous ragebaiter who loves spewing shit takes and contrarian opinions. Also might be one of the reasons tetofags have such a bad reputation these days.
People on /jp/ kept posting screenshots of this tard's tweets and it would derail every thread. I never want to see this guy again.
No.803
>>801oh, are they a teto fan?
actually how are they getting so much attention when they only have around 900 followers…
well, I'll block them now
No.806
A VTuber (Weebalu) made a shitty video on Vocaloid drama that was poorly made, then she deleted it and started crying on Twitter. In the same day a Vocaloid server promoting racism, homophobia, etc got discovered (????)
What was in yesterday's water?
No.808
>>806>literal who dicksword dramalet's not bring that here
No.809
>>807It was a video about "problematic vocaloid producers". I didn't watch it when it was still up but the thumbnail had Kikuo and Ghost in them. Honestly I don't really like most Vocaloid youtubers. Suwawako is fine because at least he knows his shit and tries to inform newgen fans.
(also he is very likely a /jp/) No.810
>>806>Weebalunever liked her, not sure why but i've always had a weird grudge surrounding her and her vocaloid stuff.
No.811
>>810She's alright whenever she isn't talking about le scary evil side of the vocaloid community imo
No.814
>>809Vocaloid youtubers are normalfag scum from what I've seen. Basically all of their content is shitty bait in some way or form, don't forget the classic miku hate as well.
No.815
>>808I only did because I thought it was funny, I apologize though.
>>814Yeah they're fucking full of normalfags who rarely listen to sub-100k producers, and know the bare minimum about who they do listen to.
No.816
>>815Don't get me started on the video essays either.
No.824
>>806>In the same day a Vocaloid server promoting racism, homophobia, etc got discoveredEven with racism and homophobia being banned on this site i feel like vocatwt would not survive this fucking place
No.825
>>824To be fair this site is pretty tame. The only thing that separates it from other vocaloid forums is that no one here outside the actual discussions threads (/news/, Project Diva, etc) takes anything seriously. Only an actual retard would find 39chan "offensive".
No.826
>>824In the 0.00001% chance they won't get mad at "retard" or not caring about Vocaloid ages, I think they could probably get along here.
Other than those two things, the biggest problem would likely be an influx of trips. From what I've gathered, they don't really have as much of a negative disposition here, but trips are atypical in chan cultures and the new trips would likely be faced with animosity, which VocaTWT doesn't know how to deal with. Vocablr is less sensitive than modern VocaTWT so we probably have more people from there, realistically.
No.827
>>826Only tripfags i see here are producers and staff and even if they came here i doubt they'd even know how to use them
No.828
>>827Honestly that's how it should be! I like that staff and producers can do it to verify identity. Hell, even if literally who cover artists did it, it'd be fine imo. I know that on other chans it's looked down upon and we may have people from /jp/ however.
No.829
>>828This isn't /jp/
All we care about here is that people don't derail the threads into literal xitter ragebait and arguments about why this loid is an underrated gem and miku sucks, etc. I wanna say that 39ch is where the people who give a shit about Vocaloid as a whole are at.
No.830
>>829I mean anyone is welcome here as long as they don't act like literal children. Majin is literally the face of vocatwt and we accepted him here because he knows how to behave.
No.831
>>830he's not the face of vocatwt but he's definitely the least annoying of them
No.833
>>832not the len mpreg
No.835
>>829I'm aware, and that is a good thing. I guess I'm scared of them derailing things if someone trips, thankfully most people here are awesome.
>>830That's what I like about here. Anons being comfortable sharing covers and originals is also really cool.
No.843
>>842It's funny that Zaako gets this rep because it's genuinely normie-tier tame compared to older Yuki songs like Funky Husky Cool Girls and Loli Loli Paradise. I am dead serious when i say that 90% of the newgen fans would not survive in the early 2010's fandom without having a mental breakdown.
No.845
>>842>she was probably a new-gennerLiterally only newgens have a problem with Zaako
No.846
>>842Lol. Lmao, even. God I'm so tired of the Zaako drama, why can't new fans let it die? It's nowhere near as bad the shit we got in the 2010s like
>>843 said.
No.848
some of you guys need to go back to jaypee, we already discussed the zaako incident and we dont need to discuss it again