/leek/ - Vocal Synthesizers

How did Engloids fall off so hard? It's not like no one cares about Vocaloid music in English, all those recent Teto and Miku songs and even Butcher Vanity prove there's still a market for it but it wasn't long ago when everybody was obsessed with Oliver and Big AL. You rarely hear people talk about them anymore.

>>64
I miss Oliver, he was cute

>>67
Oliver will probably return eventually now that he has an AI voicebank. It's only a matter of time before we see new songs with him.

Engloid as a concept lives on through SynthV and soon Maghni AI (they're the ones making AI voicebanks of all the PowerFX 'loids). With the Zero-G ones its a bit uncertain, I doubt we'll be seeing Avanna, Sonika, Tonio, Prima, etc get updated voicebanks anytime soon. Sonika is confirmed to have had a V4 in progress but it was cancelled around the time Vocaloid 5 came out.

Fuck Yamaha.

>>71
>>126

I was informed that Vocatone's new voicebanks might have different voice providers. This was known for Oliver since apparently Vocatone is now against using real children for their voicebanks (likely because of songs like the very infamous "Gay Sex", let's be honest) but apparently Ann/Al will not be voiced by Frank and Jody. I don't know how true this is but it's definitely worrying.

I miss Avanna
https://youtu.be/W2TE0DjdNqI

so is zero-g officially done with vocaloid? i know vocatone/pfx are still around

>>486
"i know vocatone/pfx are still around" About PFX..haha..
Unless you know something I don't, PFX's involvement with Vocaloid ended with Bil Bryant leaving the company. Is Vocatone the only dedicated Engloid company left? That's kinda sad

>>487
Isn't Vocatone part of PowerFX? Every "returning" Maghni voicebank so far has been a previously released PFX voicebank (Big AL, Sweet Ann, Oliver, Ruby, etc).
>Is Vocatone the only dedicated Engloid company left?
From the Vocaloid (software) era, yes. There's still English only voicebanks being developed for SynthV.

>>488
>From the Vocaloid (software) era, yes. There's still English only voicebanks being developed for SynthV.
Yeah, I should've specified that I was referring specifically to English Vocaloids and not vsynths in general orz
>Isn't Vocatone part of PowerFX? Every "returning" Maghni voicebank so far has been a previously released PFX voicebank (Big AL, Sweet Ann, Oliver, Ruby, etc).
Originally I thought they were more akin to a circle a la VOCALOMAKETS (even if they are an actual business/LLC) but the Vocaloid wiki does say they're a spin-off company? Interesting..even then I feel that's different from being actually part of PFX, who I heard dropped out of Vocaloid after YOHIOloid + Bil Bryant's departure to focus on Soundation (which makes them way more money) a long time ago.
Vocatone is mostly comprised of fans from the community too, but I don't really keep up with Vocatone, Maghni AI, or PFX's Vocaloid stuff outside of Oliver so I may be wrong or something might have changed. (God willing)
Unless I missed something, the "returning" vocals are also still solely speculation and haven't been confirmed to be old Engloids yet (even though I agree some look similar and probably are)
I'll have to look into it more..we'll both have to wait and see.

>>493
Technically YAMAHA still makes ENGloids but they're uhh……….. let's just say they're not marketed towards the average Vocaloid user. I have to admit I like CYBER DIVA though.

>>494
Yep, I liked Cyva and Cyman (Cyber Songman) too, and, I have no idea why they scrapped the VY series when it was so much better imo..Even the four voicebanks you posted just got replaced with those V6 silhouette-loids lol

>>496
Even if i'm not a fan, the creepy 3D models at least sounded better than whatever the hell they went with for V6. I don't know what it is about V6 voicebanks that i dislike but i haven't heard a single good one. Can't be the engine noise because CEVIO is way worse in that regard and yet i love KAFU.

https://youtu.be/HUar7KtZoxw

>>498
Agree. Probably the flatness of the vocals, they sound so bad because Yamaha got rid of 90% of the parameters and I'm not even kidding. Vocaloid has always had this problem but at least in the past end-users had a way to correct it without spending $500+ on VSTs. Pretty sure even "Character" and "Expression" were added via updates and weren't even there on release.
The comments on that video are pretty telling LOL (but I also prefer KAFU + CeVIO and Voisona to SynthV or Vocaloid personally)

>>499
It's also more expensive than SynthV

I think about engloids a lot. I feel like a lot of them are very unique but failed to get the love they deserve just for the fact that 90% of vocaloid's fanbase is japanese. Prima, tonio, avanna and even miriam all have very interesting voices (especially the first two, they're currently the only vocalsynths made for opera until that new synthv comes out). Even Sonika who admittedly is the least interesting of the bunch (even if i and most of this site love her) has at least some charm and a distinct voice that cannot be compared to other vsynths.

>>563
Have we even gotten a purposely cutesy (both voice and design) English vocal since Sonika? Vocals marketed for pop alone don't count to me imo (especially since deep-voiced pop singers like Adele exist, and Solaria is more similar to Adele than Hatsune Miku outside of having a character design. That might be why people are still so attached to Sonika in the first place.)

Voices that have character designs aren't inherently character vocals to me either, the Starry Court (Solaria, Asterian and them) are marketed as professional pop, bass etc. vocals and not cute characters.

I don't even listen to country music and would still kill for a country-loid with a similar design and voice in a cartoony style similar to Alex Ahad or any of the Skullgirls artists. and a voice like Applejack's (´・ω・｀)

>>566
i'm pretty sure sonika was meant to be exactly that when they made her. her original boxart used the render in picrel for a long time before the redesign. it was in late 2009 that they decided to market her vb towards the fandom instead of the actual producers and do contests and interact with the community via twitter.

i honestly wish they still did the twitter stuff with new vocaloids. it made them feel more "real". like you were reading some celebrity's tweets. the only account that still somewhat does this is oliver and it's not even close to what sonika's account was.

>>571
>i honestly wish they still did the twitter stuff with new vocaloids. it made them feel more "real". like you were reading some celebrity's tweets. the only account that still somewhat does this is oliver and it's not even close to what sonika's account was.
Even if Sonika was the first, Japanese loids still do this luckily! Tsuina's is very..interesting..

>>496
Part of me wishes CYVA/CYMAN's voicebanks had Japanese counterparts (no, VY1/VY2 don't count) so people would make more stuff with them. I know CYVA has a couple originals but the only good ones are the ones Circus/Crusher made because they're the only engloid producers who know how to tune and mix.

CYMAN has uhh… his demos and that's it.

>>572
Wasnt there an official flower twitter account that was constantly being horny or am i misremembering?

prima is genuinely one of the coolest vsynths

>>961
Nope, lol

>>1008
Sorry guys it was me

>>1008
>2014
almost 11 years since flower got pregnant…

Prima is criminally underrated

Zero-G should've canonized Primina as Prima's official design methinks

>>566
Eleanor Forte but she's a SV

/leek/ will save Sonika.
I believe in you /leek/.

>>1276
Eleanor seems like another one of those banks that just happens to have a character design for marketing reasons but still has a mature and/or professional voice, like the Eclipsed Sounds banks. Especially because she was just another reference voicebank by Kanru (because I think this was before Dreamtonics even existed iirc) until Animen bought her rights and just slapped the cute girl on it. I wish there was a loli/cutesy sounding English voicebank (on literally any VSynth), Sonika may not be a loli but her voice is still way cuter than the average Engloid, native English SynthV etc.
Hell, even Miku English herself sounds mature! Maybe Maghni AI will deliver with Imani, I heard a rumor that a Maghni AI bank is going to be voiced by a voice actor instead of the typical amateur or professional singer that English banks get, hell even Oliver himself is a choir boy’s voice and not intended to be a character, and to my knowledge choir boys are trained by professionals.
What I’m seeking is an Engloid with a voice like KAFU/Zundamon/POPY/Gwar Gura (lmao), not just an Engloid with a character design because there are probably tons of those esp. if we include UTAU. Unfortunately it’s probably going to take a long time because English anime VAs are probably scared of AI aside from VTubers most of them also suck, and “normal” English VAs who do things like cartoons are probably either too expensive to hire or will also see AI and assume vocal synths are “trying to steal their jobs.”

Take this with a grain of salt because vidrel is the only Eleanor song I know and listen to regularly (I’m not really interested in covers anymore) and she sounds pretty mature in it to me.

>>1279
I unironically want something to come out of this Sonika meme so we can show vsynth companies cute girls can sell in the West too. I wish whoever was trying to make Sonika V4 did a crowdfund, I’m sure people would love it. Maybe she’ll get a Maghni AI since a bunch of other previously “abandoned” Engloids are speculated to? God willing. It seems like Sonika is still available on ZeroG’s website as well, even adding her to cart works. Does she come with the V2 editor? I swear I saw someone say either Miku or all V2 voicebanks come with the editor. If true, does V2 run well on Windows10?

Wait I remember she exists, and there’d also a high chance she has the same voice provider and/or was created by the same people as Yami Ryone. Rarely see content with her though..Also sucks she looks like a loli but is canonically 21. Cowards.

>>1284
All the discontinued 'loids that got on Maghni were PFXloids because VocaTone are a spinoff company of PowerFX. Sonika on the other hand is developed by Zero-G who quit the vsynth scene after Yanaha fucked them over.

>>1343
It’s Sonikover

I dont think zero-g cares much about their loids. MIRIAM's vp asked for an upgrade about 10 years ago and to this day she's stuck on V1. After DEX and DAINA they basically dipped. I wonder if they're still in contact with Aki Glancy.

When are we gonna see an engloid revival? and i dont mean SynthVs like Eleanor

i want actual engloids.

I wish we had an ENGloid for V6, but most likely we will have one more english-speaking default yamaha VB. and considering that most voicebanks can sing in mandarin, chinese or english, it wouldn't matter either way. we're doomed orz

>>1642
Isn't po-uta one?

>>1643 we need one more….

>>1642
>>1646
Impossible in 2025. PFX quit Vocaloid plus they're developing their own engine under Vocatone and Zero-G quit the vocalsynth scene after Yamaha fucked them over while they were making Sonika V4. (That last one hurts the most imo, not even because of Sonika but because it felt like Zero-G was the one company that cares the most about the WVF).

Name my band

>>2967
the black eyed peas

>>2967
GTA NPCs