/leek/ - Vocal Synthesizers

When ECHO started being considered a classic. I was there when it came out.

If you remember when Gakupo, Lily and Gumi were at the same height as the Cryptonloids you're a vocaboomer. Gakupo died quickly, Lily remained popular for a bit until niki dropped her and Gumi still has a couple popular songs to this day like KING but she's not nearly as popular as she once was and no one uses her V6/SV banks.

>>1675
I'm not a vocaboomer by any means but hearing people call Zatsune Miku and character items forgotten/old makes me feel like I've landed in another dimension

>>1681
same. i feel like we should make a new term for vocaloid fans that aren't necessarily vocaboomers but were around before pjsk came out or whatever

>>1682
This but for vocaloid

>>1681
sometimes i forget zatsune was really popular because i barely see anyone talk about her outside of mentions like this one

>remembering when fanloids were considered vocaloids in some way and people would register them as "vocaloids" on blog pages
>remembering when everyone stole momone momo's oto.ini for their CV UTAUloids, or either didn't had any
>remembering when lily had a decent following, and when iroha had a decent bunch of original songs
>living the whole gumi and IA era full of flashing lights, fast tempos and amateurish but charming drawings from pixiv/piapro illustrators
>remembering when every vocaloid fanart in the west was drawn with the default paint tool sai brush
>remembering when every japanese vocaloid fanart had a bunch of overlayed textures and a background that included lace and a pattern
>remembering when circusP, crusher, eyeris and GHOST were the only well known western producers
>remembering when gahata meiji was the queen of UTAUloid and one of the most realistic for her time
>when XSY was the newest thing and impossible combos were considered "illegal" (i.e. fake vocaloid stella's voice, for example)
>when hibiki Lui and suzune ring were set to release when V3 got released
>when a random KEI illustration would pop up and fans would say it's a new vocaloid (i.e. rio kitty'er, luna)
>when i realize half of the vocaloids i like are V3 wholoids that modern fans ignore

please slap me if i'm using the arrows incorrectly.

If you want to feel old, Miku turns 18 this year. No, not the character, the voicebank itself.

>>1684
>2004-2006: Originalfag
>2007-2012: Oldfag
>2013-2015: Newfag
>2016-2018: Death
>2019-2020: Renaissance
>2021-2024: Sekaifag
Does that make sense or

>>1681
Wait do vocaloids not have character items anymore
What happened 😭

>>1713
They haven't been a thing in over a decade

>>1713
rather, since they finished releasing characters for V2, they stopped the tradition of assigning items to characters

It was a very slow and dawning realization that didn't fully hit me until I tried being less of a recluse in the community. I've been around since ~2011, I remember when V3 was first coming out; Oliver and Kaito V3's demos being posted, everyone excited about what's to come.
I started feeling the disconnect when talking with local fans for Miku Expo 2018 who had only been around the scene for a couple years or so at that point. It mainly dawned on me when I realized after posting covers on YT and starting to get some traction that the community at large is completely cut off from what it was when I found it.
The western side of the community thrived back in the day by sharing and archiving VSQ files (credited even at the time), making art, fan-subbing, and tolerating each other. Now most people seem to be of a highly-sensitive disposition and take everything too seriously, bordering on treating earnest appreciation of their work as an insult somehow…
I've stopped uploading covers for a while because I'm tired of the negative response for my genuine attempts to contribute. If anyone knows of alternative platforms that are more receptive than YT, I would greatly appreciate the info!!

>>1872
Welcome to the Vocaloid community in 2025. New fans typically don't know much about Vocaloid before the late 2010's. Partly it's due to the rhythm games (It's not just Sekai that's guilty but also Diva and Mirai) which focus on the Crypton six, and the fact that social media algorithms mostly push Miku or Teto songs. Mesmerizer in 2024 basically set a new meta and every producer's pretty much been following it outside of a select few.

>If anyone knows of alternative platforms that are more receptive than YT
Youtube still dominates video sharing websites and will continue to do so for years to come so i can only think of NND (which i'm sure you're familiar with at this point) as an alternative. It's japanese, yeah, and i'm not sure if they even allow IP's from other countries anymore, but it's the only way you're gonna be safe from the gaijin.

>>1874
>i'm not sure if they even allow IP's from other countries anymore
Not sure about USA but it works fine in NZ. I don't have an account though so maybe that's different.

>>1878
latin america and videos are viewable here but like you i haven't had an account on it since 2016

>>1874
>Mesmerizer in 2024 basically set a new meta and every producer's pretty much been following it outside of a select few.
I've still never listened to Mesmerizer but yeah, I noticed an influx of new people taking interest around that time. It caught me off guard when some of the dudes I've talked with on and off for years who never had more than a passing interest in 'loids started bringing it up & posting fanart related to it.

>Youtube still dominates video sharing websites and will continue to do so for years to come so i can only think of NND (which i'm sure you're familiar with at this point) as an alternative. It's japanese, yeah, and i'm not sure if they even allow IP's from other countries anymore, but it's the only way you're gonna be safe from the gaijin.
I hear ya. It's not even 'the gaijin' necessarily that bothers me, it's just that YouTube is an overpopulated cesspit at this point. I'm not the type to make covers to get personal attention; rather, I just want to share things I love and am passionate about with people who will hopefully enjoy them as well. I want my work to be accessible to those who would seek it, without being spoon-fed by an algorithm to contrarians with the compulsion to loudly announce the first opinion they generate.
Scoping out Odysee's Vocaloid scene has been on my back-burner for a while; I wouldn't be surprised if it's still mostly nonexistent, but the platform seems to have gained some traction. I'll probably see how NND is doing lately as well, like you suggested.
At the least, I'm trying to work out a neocities page for my old GDrive of VSQs and other files I've made.

I hope what I'm saying makes sense, my thoughts are a bit foggy right now. And, thank you for the input!

>>1880
>I want my work to be accessible to those who would seek it, without being spoon-fed by an algorithm to contrarians with the compulsion to loudly announce the first opinion they generate.
Hate to break it to you anon but this is just what every social media website (and yes, video sharing like YouTube and Tiktok falls into that category too) has devolved into. Algorithms spoonfeed you things you don't like because they know it'll make you spend more time on their site. And this is probably why you're also getting negative comments. Or maybe you need to put effort into mixing your covers, a lot of people don't and they end up sounding really bad.
https://www.techtransparencyproject.org/articles/two-studies-social-media-algorithms-fuel-online-hate

>>1880
I mean you can technically just turn off the comments right? Idk

>>1884
Forgive me anons, I am a brainlet. Turning off the comments as a whole is something that had never occurred to me but is a great idea. I'm quite literally on the spectrum so sometimes I can go my whole life without connecting basic dots if the correlation doesn't occur to me. Thank you!
>>1881
And thank you for the information, it makes sense. I've lived under a rock the past couple years and appreciate the patience as I try to expand my horizons.

I will not derail the thread any further, apologies.

>>1711
something from 2007 being 18 years old feels incredibly wrong but i guess that's time for you

When and why did Vocaloid channels stop reprinting content from NND? Almost every iconic vocaloid song on youtube was posted by a channel dedicated almost exclusively to reprinting NND songs. What happened and why is it only Spanish channels that do this now?.

>>2131
i guess because most producers post their stuff onto youtube now. this still does happen though, i have a few friends who post nnd stuff (and are english speakers)

>>2132
link their stuff, its been getting harder and harder for me to find channels like that

>>2139
Thank you anon, i've been saving channels like those that are still active. That and vocaloard (with filters) are how i keep up with the less mainstream stuff.

>>2144
There's a lot of cool places to find niche stuff. I found one of my new favorite producers from scrolling through KARENT with a few others from VocaDB

>>2150
Thank you for sharing this, by the way. I'm not the anon who asked, but I found Sukoya Cathedral through the KARENT by-vocal categories, and other artists which I plan on checking out later. Their music is lovely, and I'm grateful to have made the discovery.

>>2131
Japanese producers dislike it iirc. It makes sense after recent happenings in the fandom although I’m pretty sure there was never a point where they were particularly fond of it, especially considering how anal Japanese people tend to be in general when it comes to piracy and copyright. Unauthorized reprints are why Hazuki no Yume had to disband I’m pretty sure, and I’m so sad because Vocaloid translations have significantly dropped in quality since imo. (How hard is it to ask for permission, especially when they seem eager to support us otherwise? Even Caststation still supports Western VocaP despite our side of the fandom’s shitty treatment of him.)

People calling "Miku" (Anamanaguchi) or M@GICAL CURE! LOVE SHOT! "the miku song" instead of World is Mine or Miku Miku Ni Shite Ageru

I always thought of Miku Miku Ni Shite Ageru as the Miku song

>>2377
While I don't dislike the song itself like some others, I truly hate that it's just called "Miku"

>>2560
miku by miku off the album miku

When I'm playing Project Diva and know next to nothing about Project Sekai

>>2564
The appeal of DIVA for me is the gameplay, there's no other game like it. SEKAI feels like a generic mobile rhythm game and the only thing that makes it stand out are the story and characters.

When did vocaloid become almost 100% Miku? I know she's always been the face of vocaloid but i remember up until maybe 2019 people still used IA, Gumi, etc.

just now lol

When i realized that there are producers born the same year Moku came out (SatapanP)

>>2868
>Moku
fuck I meant Miku