/leek/ - Vocal Synthesizers

>>13
ngl I think its kinda funny that megpoid has a vsynth and vocaloid6 but miku only has piapro studio now, like, why cant she just be in both.

>>68
But she's getting a V6 voicebank

>>69
wait really????? omg I'm so happy ;;;;

I don't see anyone talking about this (probably cause it's V6) but two new voicebanks were announced around September. Tsuina-chan who was previously on SynthV and Ci-chan based on Ci the Jiangshi, a virtual youtuber.

Vocaloid 6 is a product that just like its predecessor V5 didn't need to exist. Voicebanks sounding terrible is just one of the many problems with it. It's expensive compared to its competitors which offer a better, higher quality result. It also has compatibility issues with V1/V2, lacks features present in previous versions and there's been little to no marketing for it or its voicebanks. Even with Miku releasing next year I don't think V6 will have its redemption arc.

>>119
That being said, the best voicebank so far on V6 is Po-uta and that's just because his voice is based off an already distorted voice (its a dude with a voice changer) so the engine noise feels natural.

>>120
Another Po-uta fan God bless

>>435
he's the only decent sounding v6 so far…

the new update to v6 adds cross synthesis and tunelab style pitch editing. maybe v6 is back for real this time.

6.5.0 update seems promising, I REALLY hope that Yamaha either hired or is going to steal the TuneLab devs' ideas since Vocaloid support for TuneLab is gone now (fuck the snitch)
Since there are V6 banks with appends (Una V6 and Megpoid Solid, even if Solid sounds identical) I was hoping XSY would or will be added to V6+ banks in the future but Yamaha will probably still be being themselves lol. (Also why are singing styles/vocal modes gone in vx_beta 3.0 wtf!)

Praying Yamaha continues to listen to the fans and vx_beta wasn't just like
a temporary thing, it took the 20 years to do so though so..

Realistically, could Vocaloid as a brand stop existing following V6's failure? Both the software and the voicebanks flopped insanely hard to the point where barely anyone cares about V6 updates/new releases anymore, and there's been plenty since its debut!.

>>1084
If it didn't after V5 I doubt it, plus you have to remember Miku V6 will be a thing which will probably revive interest + WhiteCUL's V6 crowdfund was successful (even more than ROSA's SV, which didn't even get fully funded iirc,) which shows the Japanese fandom might still care.

Hopefully vx_beta will take Vocaloid's place once Vocaloid fully dies (I wonder why Yamaha isn't pushing it more considering how much praise it got?) I agree with you that I can't really see VOCALOID9 happening if Yamaha continues on this path.

I wonder if Miku V6 alone is going to be enough to keep Vocaloid afloat, honestly it might be. GUMI V6 was also a thing prior to GUMI SV as well so that also probably got a few sales.

>>1085
I think V5 and V6 should've never happened in the way they did. They should've waited a bit longer before discontinuing V4 and released V5 during the early 2020's with AI already built in, but I don't think they could've predicted SynthV Studio so I guess I can't fully blame them.

I like to think Po-uta, Koto and Fuiro would've been popular had they released around the V3/V4 era

how i wish she was on a different engine

>>1196
I’ve heard through the grapevine (several vocal synth developers’ tweets) that SynthV’s development fees are sky high, almost 5x as much as Vocaloid’s (I’m pretty sure this is why Engloid and Chinaloid companies have always struggled, along with hearing Yamaha raised the dev fees in V5 which might’ve contributed to why many Japanese companies left then.) and that kind of explains why most of the banks are first-party.

Along with the fact that to my knowledge KuruKuruSuuzi is just one person, but even then small companies like Zan-Shin (who’s SynthV crowdfund literally failed,) and Eclipsed Sounds still had to rely on crowdfunds.

Maybe she could get a Voisona one day? Though we don’t know how expensive their dev fees are and I feel Gekikaze are an outlier that Yamaha might’ve commissioned themselves due to their popularity instead of KKS being able to fund them themselves like most Vocaloid companies do, especially because it’s confirmed Yamaha also commissioned Shiki Rowen. (Now I suspect Yamaha commissioned/approached Porter for Po-uta as well, considering how Porter himself hasn’t acknowledged Po-uta’s existance post-Humansongs despite being a massive weeb himself.)

>>1242
>Shiki Rowen
His name is Diaperfur Jones

>>1242
So V6 Ritsu is more possible than SV Ritsu… hmm…

IA V6 sounds good, vocatwt needs to shut the fuck up

>>1246
Agree, she’s also in alpha + the producer could’ve purposely tuned her that way
I really wish Yamaha did “raw” a capella demos in addition to tuned ones, the fandom says they only want tuned demos but that’d be false advertising and how we got that one fake ass SeeU demo (as much as I love her)

>>1246
Vocatwt can suck my entire cock and balls. They're already calling IA V6 another 'IA flop' and the thing's not even finished yet. I genuinely think it's on par with any Cevio voicebank.

>>1253
The fandom is really harsh towards any release that isn't SynthV and I have no idea why. Sure V6 sounds like shit sometimes (even then vx_beta exists, it's free and compatible with all V6 banks,) but literally what's wrong with something like Voisona? I remember during WhiteCUL's crowdfund everyone was harassing them for not doing SynthV even though they had an actual reason (Aside from SV development possibly being really expensive, ROSA's SynthV crowdfund flopped despite the fact Zan-Shin went out of their way to do it as a favor for our side of the fandom, the same people begging every vocal to join SynthV refused to help Rosa get there. God forbid a Japanese company market to the people who actually keep their company a float!)

The fact Miku came back, IA came back, Both Una and Gumi got updates prior to SV (and multiple people suspect that Gumi SV was a social experiment because Internet was originally wasn't very keen on hyperrealistic vocals), Tsuina got ported, and WhiteCUL joined V6 makes me think VOCALOID isn't even as despised over there as it is here in the first place. (Although the Chinese fandom disliked V5 iirc.)

>>1254
Western fans of anything in general have little respect for the things they claim to love. Also I don't see JP people care much for V6, that'll probably change once Miku is out but it's weird that I haven't seen many V6 songs. There was a galaco one i saw not long ago but i think it was a demo, there was also a Koto one i liked which released before her SV.

If DECO's recent songs really are V6 Miku then I guess those count too.

At first I doubted the "IA V6 is on par with Cevio" thing, but her quality absolutely is on par with vidrel so I don't see what the problem is. Especially when she's still in alpha, there's tons of opportunity for growth

>>1255
>I haven't seen many V6 songs.
Even then it makes 0 sense that they'd keep developing for a failing product that makes no money especially considering how expensive developing *any* commercial vsynth is. The Vocaloid devkit alone has been confirmed to be $10k, then there's other expenses on top of that, that'd be literal money down the drain.

Also, not all Vocaloid and vocal synth users are part of the fandom, tons of people probably regularly upload videos without the character's name or image attached (like vidrel, which uses Oliver and has 10 million views, with barely any comments noticing the vocal is Oliver (I saw none) and also according to the comments got into a super popular game, Geometry Dash) that the fandom never sees due to those reasons, along those who use vocal synths for things like a cheaper alternative to session singers or reference tracks for human music which aren't supposed to ever see the public anyway.

I also don't doubt that there are tons of unpopular songs using it, and that once Miku V6 is here it'll pick up steam. V5 has over 1k videos on NicoNico despite how panned it was and V6 is only 3 years old.

>>1257
A guy from a popular band in my country used V6 AKITO w/ Vocalochanger for a cover of a folk song kek

Maybe… maybe OP is right… maybe…

>>1254
I think everyone disliked V5 though. As an editor i think it's fine, maybe even better than V4. But it's just lacking in everything else. The only noteworthy voicebanks on it were the incest sisters and Sora.

>>1256
That's not a bad thing imo. I would say Cevio is perfectly balanced, they use AI for the voicebanks but it still sounds pretty robotic which gives it some charm. If V6 ends up being Cevio 2.0 i wouldn't be mad.

>>1281
Why does Vocaloid still exist then? I could’ve sworn I read somewhere once that Vocaloid isn’t even profitable for Yamaha. It’s flopping, it’s failing, it makes no money, even the fandom surrounding it despises it, so why haven’t they pulled the plug yet? You can’t say greed because it’s not even making them money in the first place. Why did they have that giant 20th anniversary celebration and why were producers willing to participate in it?

I take back every negative thing I've said about V6

I'm manifesting a V6 for Aoki Lapis. Screencap this post.

V6 is great in the right hands

Crypton where the fuck is Miku V6, we have Miku NT version 2 so where the hell is V6 miku

>>2406
In the kitchen still

This is from March but it seems V6 Miku is almost finished
https://x.com/vocaloid_yamaha/status/1904126053989462140